yea i wasnt giving up on it just yet i think wind was just not in my favor, blowing directly north so i was upwind from where i was expecting them to come from and the tree i was in forced me to sit facing south, which that was a learning curve as well. and its maybe 50 yards from the edge of the corn field, there was large scat piles all over the place between the corn and where i was setup, some piles as large as 12 inches around, so i agree i think im in the right spot for once, its just a matter of seat time now.