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    new to hunting and bows. can anyone help?

    Ill do the best I can to explain myself. My name is Chris. I'm 28 and grew up around firearms all my life. I enjoy shooting and have my chl (ccw). But no one in my family has any experience with hunting . After finally committing myself to trying this out I traded for my first bow. I went with a barnet jackal crossbow with 9 carbon arrows.

    I have to buy tips so first question would be. What should I buy for tips .

    I know I have to do scent control so any suggestions as to what to look for.

    And the hardest part is I woukd love to be able to hunt with someone , I've signed up for the local hunter safety course but won't be able to attend till Jan 11th. I plan to hunt rush run or hueston woods but this is where Im completely lost. Don't know where to hunt there or what to look for besides obvious signs like droppings or tubs on trees. And food plots and acorns and what not. And any equipment needed please let me know what all I'm going to need.

    Ty you in advance.
    Chris

    Oh I'm in Germantown Ohio

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    OK first off, I am from PA, but think its the same in any state, First off you have to pass a hunter ed course to LEGALLY hunt in any state
    so till you do that I do NOT think you can legally hunt in Ohio
    so check into that with calling Ohio DCNR or the local game warden
    next to help find a hunting partner, again you can try asking the local game warden if he know's anyone that mentors hunters, if NOT, ask at the Hunter ed course, odds are they will KNOW people that do
    if NOT, try going to some local Bow shops and asking for help there, post a add if they have a bulletin board there, or even local gun shops
    can try joining a bow league, many I assume will allow X bows, and not just compounds and likes
    plus you will learn a lot about shooting if you do this
    next, before you hunt, you need to be efecient with your weapon, that means hitting where you aim, all the time, not some of the time, practite alot all season /yr long! more the better, BUT watch for string wear, X bows can chew up a string fast, as they hold a LOT of power, and there design isn't that great for string wear!
    but you need to shoot to learn how it all works, and keep shooting to keep your edge
    as for broadhead/tips, well, make sure you stick to same weight tips for practice as well s for hunting, as in 100 grain or 125 grain or 150 grain, make sure the match
    second, everyone will tell you what brand is best, truth be told, all modern heads are fine, the key in any hunting head is just this, it has to be sharp, and has to go where you want it, when you want it
    most folks and all the latest rage is, mechanical heads
    and I too use them, I use 125 grain RAGE crossbow heads for hunting, thye fly just like my field tips, and they are pretty well liked in the hunting world, meaning they been tested and work more than they don't if you do your part, putting it where it needs be
    NO head will kill being put in a bad spot on a deer, don't believe any hype, you have to hit and cut a vital organ to kill a deer,
    practice with a broadhead too, to mke sure what ever you use fly's the same as your target tips, many folks skip this part
    BUT remember that if you do this, you will dull the blades, so a great idea to swap out blades for new one's before hunting with them
    the crappy cheap so called fake broadheads that come with Rages do NOT fly the same, as in many other brands, why they do this is beyond me!, cheap on there part I guess!

    as for equipment, well the sky is the limit here, all you need to kill deer is this, move slow, pay attention, and hunt where deer are
    camo helps, but personally its more in how it makes a hunter feel, than really needed, millions of folks killed eer before there was camo so?/
    But blending in never hurts, buy cloths that are quiet. better to be quiet than camo'd any day of the week if you ask me
    scentt control
    here again the sky and how dedicated you are is the only limit
    things I suggest, and do, I shower with so called scent free shampoo, use so called scent free deoderant
    I wash all my hunting clothes in scent free laundry detergent, and ALWAYS wash the washer in one cycle first to clear out any scent from other detergents first, same with the dryer, I use scent free dryer sheets and run a dryer sheet in dryer for 20 minutes before adding my hunting clothes with a fresh dryer sheet
    next I store all my hunting clothes in scent free plastic totes(like 30-36 gallon totes, I wash good with baking soda and let air dry before adding clothes)
    I never wear my hunting clothes for anything but hunting, I wear clothes washed in scent free detergent, and then at hunting site change into hunting gear before hunting, and then off again for ride home
    that is my scent control, been very happy doing this for 20+ yrs
    not what every one does, but an idea
    I also use the so called human scent sprays, I spray down before walking into a stand too, forgot to add above!
    things many forget I think, hunting boots shoul;d be seperate from work boots, same as with , NOT pumping gas in hunting boots or just that, gas sticks to you like glue, so avoid that before hunting if you can same with a hat, its many times the little things that burn you

    as for reading sign, well thats a skill that comes from time spent in the woods if you ask me, all things like tracks, rubs scrapes and likes tell you deer where there, but learning when they were there and why, comes with experience
    hunting near food is normally a help, as deer eat, but many eat at night, so a little farther back is normally better, unl;ess you have low pressured deer, that feed in food plots in daylight
    best of luck hope this helped some
    if you have any questions feel free to ask, be glad to help if I could

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    wel as for places to hunt, again, talk and get to know your local game warden, be suprised how helpful one can be on giveing you tips on where to hunt, maybe even private lands where owners have crop damage/deer damage, that might lead you to private access!
    never hurts to ask if you get my drift on info from a local warden!

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    thanks for all the information and that helps alot,
    i did go to a local archery shop today and they suggested i just read the manual and then go get certified at a local odnr office, that way i dont have to wait months to go threw the safety course, so that will be the first thing i do.
    the scent control was a topic i knew little about but ive been reading alot about how to plan a hunt and wathcing alot of youtube videos on the subject and thankfully they also covered that subject about like you did, which is a plus, so i think i got that part figured out.
    ive been asking in facebook groups and threw some friends and no one seems to want to help me because they dont want to give away there locations on where they hunt, sadly i tried explaining i dont even want to shoot one yet, i just want to get in the field and sit and survey with them so i understand WHY they chose the spot they did and i can use that knowledge to good use .

    i have been looking at public hunting area and found what i think will be the perfect spots , maybe i can post a link

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    pull up google maps and search these cords
    39.593338,-84.601513
    let me know if that worked.

    you will see the small lake , its in the corner of the park, so it has nautral bedding area i would think near that spot, they are obviously going to move to the fields to feed on , and the water near and i think the 2 creek beds as well.

    i was thining that spot, or just north at the Y where it looks like it would be a natrual funnel for them to make there way east to the large plots of farm land.

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    that place looks nice, but nothig beats walking it to see, and again, a good spot now, might be a mad house come gun season or just hunting season
    talkking to your loal game warden again , he can tell you how much pessure a public lands gets, maybe saving you some headaches/surprises

    and again, many hunter ed places have lists of mentors that help new hunters get started, ask about, call several all over the area too, never know till you ask
    I learned to hunt by myself in the 80's
    so it can be done, and that was back before the internet and so much info out there and known info too!
    just enjoy and be safe
    and it al comes in time if you want to learn, nothing beats experience's you earn
    good luck

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    Wts your thoughts on using a pop up blind or climbing tree stand. I personaly want the pop up blind because I'm 250lbs bit I want to take my brother hunting and he's probably every bit of 350. So was thkining of the pop up blind is the safer option but how effictive would one be against deer with a bow ?

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    well you can kill deer any way you want if you do your part, buy getting in and out of spots deer travel and set up to intercept them before they can see or smell you
    just watch the Tv shows, they kill deer all teh time from both
    BUT hunting with a blind can be harder than up a tree, cause you are more in the direct eye path of there vision
    you have to also be a little mroe aware of your scent control, as up a tree you have a little advantage of keeping scent up higher over some deer's nose's
    next a blind will stick out and many deer need time to adjust to it being there
    and on public lands, levaing a blind out for any time alone, can mean having one stolen
    same with treestands, but a blind is easier to take it sems, or just damage!
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    on the ground in a blin% sure there legal in Ohio on public lands, but not 100%, they seem to focus more on blinds than sound up a tree
    but I have killed many deer both ways
    I have also killed a lot more deer off the ground without a blind or a treestand, will admit more of them kills came with a rifle, at 50-75 yrds
    but it can be done with making natural blinds, legally there allowed in most states, but not all, so you have to look first before building and hunting from one, I am 95% sure there legal in ohio, but not 100% sure there legal on public lands, many times public lands and private lands can have different rules
    like baiting, its legal in Ohio on private lands but NOT on public, so look into that before building and using!

    they sell and make BIG ladder stands for bigger folks and or two people, , but there also heavy to haul and set uop, but do able if you have the desire
    if you are new to hunting, and want to kill deer, your lowering your odds a lot having 2 people hunting in a treeot blind
    by adding twice the scent
    so won't tell you not to, but your not helping yourself with two folks at first(even pro's will tell you its a lot harder when they have a camera man up a tree with them,
    blinds too, big shooting house's set up weeks or yrs in advance over prime food plots on unpressured lands, is typically hopw the pro's hunt and even there they can struggle
    so publi lands,????
    your call

    a blind is safer sure, and many times can be warmer and hide a lot of movements, both ways have pros and con's
    being a bigger guy I suggest you look into making a good ground blind, or a good ladderstand made to hold you, or roll the dice on a ground blind being there when you want to hunt
    sure you can set up day you hunt, but again that lowers your odds, as deer tend to notice new things and that can lead to you getting busted!
    good luck

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    ok im going to do the best i can explain my day, decided to go scouting that land i was showing you earlier about, spent about 2 hours today 12.30 pm till about 230 ish. i put drew up a map of the path i took and they have numbers at the locations. each number has a video, or picture of something in question. and i will link everything so you can understand my questions and comments.



    as you see , i walked a rather large section of this public land, just wearing boots , jeans and a solid orange tee shirt and my cell phone, so wasnt trying to be covert or anything just wanted to get some foot time in these lands and look for clues as to where deer might be and i can plan a hunt according.

    i walk into the woods from parking lot , directly north to the lake edge and walk around thinking that would be a simple least resistance to the corner of that land which is where i was curious to get too. being i dont know where paths are at this point yet, i stumbled across picture #1 and video #6 to what i believe to be antler rubs against a tree, during my entire trip there its the ONLY place i seen something like this in the woods there. can you confirm if i am correct on what i beleive that to be?
    and next question would be, why there? its no where near any feeding zones that i could think of, just some simple berries on some shurbs, the small pond just south of the tree, and alot of cover, so maybe a bedding area?


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    so moved on threw the woods to where i was intended to be going, made it to the corner of the opening which i thought would be a feeding plot of some sort, turned out to be tall grass in the middle so i walked to the 2nd field and it was corn mixed with tall grass but not big and the 3rd lot was the same, inspected the corn and seemed to be eaten up and bad, most of it was on the ground and rotted away or striped from all the animals. so i made my way up the property line north to where i thought might be a funnel at the bottom of this hillside where the lake and creek feed together. i stoped and turned left and spoted a deer at the top of the hill so looped that way and was hoping i could see why the deer was there since i spoked it away. i didnt even find any trails caues of the amount of leaves on the ground, didnt see acorns or anything really that would hold a deer to that location, i know the direction it went too , which was the other hilltop so i looped back that way to see if i could spot any trails, but didnt find a clue.
    so i decided to head back to truck and maybe find a better path home because i was semi lost, i kinda plowed my way to that location to begin with. and discovered what i thought to be bedding locations in the corner of the opening in the field in the tall grass? im not sure if its bedding area or if it was from quail hunters or other type of hunters going threw the tall grasses looking for game.

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