So my dad missed a big frame 7pt yesterday evening 15min til dark. This is his first season hunting with a crossbow. I have bugged him all season telling him that archery is different and that rangefinders are very important. But he doesn't listen to me lol. He says he can judge distance just fine and rangefinder are just another expense. Everyone things you can judge distance until you miss a deer lol. We'll needless to say he took a shot a the buck last night and it went right under him. He said he thought the deer was at 25yds. I took MY rangefinder out the next morning and the buck was at 32yds. Now my dad wants to borrow my rangefinder when he goes out and I don't go with him lol. And over the off season he plans to buy a rangefinder. Just funny I think lol. It sucks he missed though.