It was private land that we have permission to hunt from a farmer... there are only 5 permissions signed for the property I get them signed every year so I know its not one of us... the stands we found are no longer there they must have taken them down the next day...like nomad_archer said there might be a bigger buck so hopefully one will come in close enough.. there are 4 new bucks I have never seen on the property before ...so im watching them hoping one comes in if not it wasnt ment to be...its just a great day when you see deer and be out in the trees...thanks guys for your help.