I shoot a bowtech carbon knight it is slower than most new bows but with a 27" draw I am always going to be just a little slower at 305 at 65 lbs and being all carbon fiber it will not store as much energy as a aluminum riser ,but when it only weights 3.2 lbs in the box and 4.4 lbs geared up they can say its slow or it's not high end but they can come and talk to me at the end of a 8-9 mile hike and see how they feel about it then.