Look sko this back and forth crap needs to stop we all have to agree to disagree on the hole tuning issue my mind is made up mike is the same way. And if you think we are wrong then start a thread about it and prove that we are wrong. But to set there and contradict every thing posted and not give any opinion or input as to why we are misinformed helps no one it seems clear to us you are a shop owner and we could be wrong. Bottom line is this that tuning techniques will always be a controversial topic because there all kinds of different ways to get to the same result some like the modern some like the old fashion do it yourself!!!!! Now we can either start off new or we can just ignore the other ones post it's your call !!!!! Either way this stops now.