hello mrbb, oh i mowed this down to about 3 inches, and i have seen clover bounce back on my lawn just like you said, well it sure is good to know that i didnt totally screw it up, and i sure will wait a few days or so before i spray the grass killer to it, we have had alot of rain here as well so i would like a couple days without rain so the grass killer has a good affect on it, hey thanks for all you input, by the looks of your plots you sure have the knowledge on this topic, thanks again sir.