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    Senior Member rednecklb69's Avatar
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    Plots with fourwheelers

    I recently picked up a honda rincon with intentions of making some deep wood small plots. Are any of you using quads for plots? Im looking for a disc and wondering what yall use to till up uour plots.
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    well I have been using my honda 400 foreman for 13 yrs now to build food plots
    I have done small one's and up to 2+ acres with just the atv
    AT my hunting camp we have done the same and have bought a bunch of atv implements

    first off, a ATV is NOT a tractor, so t takes a LOT more time to prep a site with just an atv
    the heavier the disc the better it will work, same goes for how big the disc are, bigger blades work better and take less passes to work the soil into a good base
    BUT bigger heavier the disc, the harder your atv will be working
    best suggestions I have is start all food plots early just after winter as the ground is just thawing out, it is the softest it will be
    and then keep turning it over every couple weeks if you can till planting time
    will make life a lot easier, and be a one pass deal come planting time

    as for things to buy
    well, if your on a tight budget, as made for ATv things are not cheap!!
    you can look for older farm Harrows, and just remove a section
    I will try to take a pic'c next time I am at the farm of what I use and did
    BUt I found a 3 piece(about 10 foot wide) pull type harrow off a local farmer for 50 bucks
    took it apart into one small section, and one (two parts) bigger/wider section
    and drag it with my ATV
    the smaller section gets used 99% of the time, its about as wide as the ATV, and it will dig into the ground about 4-5 inches , with pending how hard the ground is, one or 10 passes, all depends on how hard the ground is! or rocky it is!
    the deeper it gets into the ground, the more restance it has, the harder the ATV has to work, even on small plots
    change your oil a lot and use GOOD oil in the ATV, will help a lot on temps, and over heating! and use low range and go slow

    if you want to buy a ATV designed tool
    get a Tuffline or other WELL build heavy disc that you can adjust, and has slotted blades on it
    they cut the best
    a good one will weight 300+ lbs or more
    and well again, they do work the ATV hard, but smaller one take forever to do the same wok, if at all, many just don't weight enougn to sink into the ground and just ride on top, being useless, and waste of money, so buyer beware!
    if your good with making things, odds are you can find a old farm pul type disc, and again take a section off and make your own, for a lot less
    a good ATV disc is about 700-1,000 bucks
    a cheap old farm one can be had for about 250 bucks and has a crap load of extra blades if ever needed
    but will make you work to make it!

    next thing to buy for an ATV
    is a good sprayer
    them 15-20 gallon one's that mount on the racks work OK, BUT again, you get what you pay for
    they will be fine for plots up to an acre
    but a bigger sprayer you tow, comes in handy, and can be pulled most places an ATV can get to
    I personally have a 45 gallon one, paid like I think 500 bucks for it, and can do non stop an acre or more at a time
    only has a 5 ft boom, so I end up over lapping a lot to make sure I don't miss things
    bigger the boom the better
    the sprayless booms work OK, but miss a lot more, and really suck on windy days over one with a boom
    and trust me, never fails days you wnat to spray its always windy!

    advantage of a bigger sprayer is not having to make trips to re fill a BIG time saver
    I learned to get some 55 gallon drums and fill with water, and keep in my truck , makes re fills on a tank a ton faster than filling up with a hose at remote places
    Most chemical places will give you them for free too, just make sure you know what was in it first
    lots of liquid fertilizer one's in my area, so they don't hurt anything I spray! other chemicals can kill or leave behind things that won't let things grow for a LONG time, so watch that

    but a sprayer is almost a must have, between/ for round up, and keeping weeds in check
    this food plots stuff is adicting, just like trail camera's
    once you get started and see how well they work, you will be hooked
    so might be better to get better stuff from the start?? lol
    good thing is many guys start every yr so used things sell pretty good

    next thing to look for is a mower, if you do any larger plots, and want to keep them looking good, there almost a must have
    its one of them things, that you have to such up the costs up front
    a good food plots can cost a bunch to make, letting weeds take over and re doing gets pricy fast and one or two re planting is more than a mower costs
    so they pay for themselves fast, but you can get by without, with a weedeater and a lot of sweat
    or again spraying weed killers as they come up
    and they will come up!
    a bag seed broadcaster is alos a must have
    and trust me, a hand operated one is the way to go unless your doing more than 2 acres at a time
    as seeds are NOT cheap, and you do not want to be wasting them on a electric spreader that mounts on an ATv , as bumps cause extra to spill out

    and a tow behing broadcaster is also a much have, for adding fertilizer, but again, a bag spreader can get you by, just a LOT more work
    just be sure to wash out after spreading fertilizer or lime, as that stull will rott out the gear fast, take care of it and it will last a long time, both my spreaders are a good 10+ yrs old
    up my hunting camp, where folks are lazy, they go bad every 2-3 yrs!

    Lime is a problem these days, almost every planting needs it, and pelletized lime isn't cheap at all
    BUt pulverized lime is a bitch to spread without specialized spreaders
    you can again get by with a push drop lime spreader,but most only hold , and work with about 40 lbs at a time
    most new food plost need about a 1200 lbs of lime per acre and many will need a LOT more
    so you see lime is the hardest to spread cheap, unless you can buy in bulk, and have it spread in bulk, they its a LOT cheaper, about 50 bucks a ton, as to about a 120 a ton for pulverized by the bag, and about double that for pelletized lime you can spread in a broadcast spreader??
    so lime is needed and hard to get down

    best time to be adding lime is more or less is right now, so it leaches into the soil, and then more as you prep the site
    and trust me, best advice I can give you is do a soil test and prep soil to what it calls for, not doing so is just wasting money and a lot of hard work!
    and there only 10 bucks!
    and lime is one of the least understood parts of plantings
    lime actually has to touch every part of the soil to lower PH, so it needs to be blended in best as possible, and it takes TIME to actually work
    so more time and more you work it in the better!

    so, sorry about being long, but just trying to help
    been doing food plots for about 20 yrs now, so I have for sure learned a lot the hard way, and willing to help take that out for new guys if I can help
    feel free to ask me anything, glad to help if I can!

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    here is a picture of a plot I did this spring with JUST my atv
    it was about 2 acres in all of soybeans
    this is a cultipacker I grabbed off an old farm , there good to have too on bigger plots but not needed, you can make a decent drag, to do the same thing more or less out of some chain link fence, and some boards
    just to show you it can be done
    I will try to get a pic of the harrow I used too next trip to the farm







    and about a ton of rocks, this ATV get worked hard, and having nothing but a low range standard trans I think is whats saved it over the yrs
    we killed 2 or 3 other atv at camp some bigger CC but belt driven doing same type work
    so heads up, working food plots will add a lot of wear and tear to an ATV
    but it can be done!


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    My rincon is an auto but i can manually shift but i have no low range but i do have the 680 cc motor. I did some searching and came across a disc called a groundhog and its got some decent reviews and videos on youtube. Check those out and tell me if you think thats not exactly what i am after or if the old farm equipment would be better. Thanks for the reply.
    ive hunted my whole life, the rest I just wasted

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    Head to any used farm equipment places around you and see what they have. You may find a decent tow behind disc that you can rig up to be pulled behind your 4 wheeler. If you know anyone that can fabricate things you may be able to use a section of a disc and fashion it into a tow behind as well. Find yourself a good tank sprayer that you can mount on the back rack and use weed killer before you try pulling that disc thru. Any decent spreader will work, hand held, push or even a tow behind.
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    well here is my take on that disc
    IT WILL work on soft fround that isn't very stony or has any roots
    which is rare
    its disc blades are just too small, and they are counting on your ATV to provide down force for it to work, and its super narrow, making you do tons of passes to get anything done
    again IT will work
    but I wouldn't buy one
    Moltrie made one just like it, on a so called 3 point hitch set up same basic design, and it didn't do crap here

    I would recommend one that looks more like this, this was a quick one I found, it only has 14 inch dis, they have better models that have 16 inch disc
    the bigger idisc always seem to work better
    and you can alwyas add more weight to it if your ATV can pull it
    its adjustable to control cut /angle of the disc, and thats a BIG deal on controling how deep or agressive you want to get
    but even this model is to me much better than that one you found!
    again, just my opinion, but again , been doing this stuff for a LONG time

    as for your ATV, yes the 680 will have the power, BUT you have to remember that ATV's are not made to make lots of HP going slow, and pulling thungs for any amount of time is very hard on motors, and makes tons of heat
    ATV"S are designed to use moving air to cool them, so going slow, doesn't do that very well
    we had bought a polasis 900 atv sportsman when they first came out, and it had the power, but would over heat like crazy, so it was useless for food plots
    but again, you can get by with that for sure, just remember to stop when it gets REAL hot so it last for you!

    http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...4728_200414728


    here is a second link with one with the 16 inch blades
    and as you can see they ain't cheap
    and like big Holla and I said, if you have some skills, you can likly buy a old farm tractor pull disc for a lot less and make one
    but ?? it will take time and work, and maybe cost you close to the same after all is said and done, but never know
    seen old disc get sold at auctions for 50 bucks so??

    http://www.basspro.com/Tufline-ATVD-...SSSELL_PRODUCT

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    here is a little more info for you

    OK did a little quick looking
    this is the type of spring harrow/cultivator I use more than anything behind my ATV

    http://for-sale.yakaz.com/drag-harrow-for-sale

    this is a 2 section one, I use a a one section type,
    al I do is un bolt one side to it, to make the ATV work a LOT less,yakes more time/passes, but doesn't kill the atv so much
    these things are super super common on old farm, most are 3 section or even bigger!~
    they manually adjust for depth control, and pull easy
    and normally can be had dirt cheap, as NO real farmer will ever use them again, due to better stuff these
    but again, if you drive about in farm country odds are you will see tons of these things sitting about
    stop in and ask, , give it a good look over and see how much work will be there to separate them and make one
    odds are good you can get one for under 200 bucks, and maybe a another 100 if you have to pay for welding and such, or maybe even a lot less!
    but then your 300 bucks in and have 1-2- or 3 of them??
    they do NOT work as well as the disc type I mentioned, but if you start on ground that is soft, like spring thaw, they will be all you need to turn ground over! and then just keep working it as time allows till planting time and you will be fine!
    its what I do on a lot of my plots!
    they DO NOT work well on hard ground or ground with heavy vegetation , as they are just too light and have little down force as to a cutting angle of a disc!
    so know this , as if you have them condition, and you use one of these you will not be happy at all!
    now if you spray round up and give it time to work and , they will do better on harder ground. but again, not as well as a disc
    but like I said odds are you can get one for a LOT less than a disc set up
    and then later on you can add a disc too, and then have two piece 's of equipment
    and odds are you can sell it again without much effort
    as food plot ATV things are hot items these days, and pulling premium prices at auctions anymore too!

    but here are a couple to look at if you like

    http://for-sale.yakaz.com/drag-harro...w%20for%20sale



    http://for-sale.yakaz.com/drag-harro...08htadaadk9bta


    http://for-sale.yakaz.com/drag-harrow-for-sale


    http://for-sale.yakaz.com/drag-harro...0ak40q13ioplb4

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Used-7-Ft-Fi...item2573d872d0

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    Thanks for all the info
    ive hunted my whole life, the rest I just wasted

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    no problem glad to help if I can
    I really enjoy doing food plots, so I learned a lot over the yrs!
    personaly feel if more folks planted them, they would se the difference they can make , but they do spoil you some what

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    i didnt realize how expensive it would be to do this. I was planning on turning some dirt up along a couple year old logging road through the woods i hunt and planting some clover style seed that doesnt need alot of sun and there is a spot towards the center of the woods where alot of light comes through where it was thinned out from logging and throwing in a plot there but its nowhere near an acre, prolly something like a half acre if im lucky. I just want something to keep them close when the crops get cut around the woods.
    ive hunted my whole life, the rest I just wasted

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