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    Quote Originally Posted by Stonegod View Post
    Hey Dick....way did toy come home early???.......what happened to those Saturday/Sunday all day sits? I know you got the doe......but why not stay and try for your buck??
    As I told you on the phone Friday I took my wife to the ER Thursday after I came home from bowhunting. I wasn't going to hunt at all yesterday, but she insisted that I go. She spent the day with her daughter yesterday in case anything came up. I told her if I took a deer on Saturday I would come home instead of staying Saturday night and hunting today.
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    good job,,,I wonder how you would do with a muzzeloader without a max load say 60gr. of powder and a light bullet?????? also if they allow straight wall pistol cartridge rifles you should be able to shoot them too....good job
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    Quote Originally Posted by hortontoter View Post
    As I told you on the phone Friday I took my wife to the ER Thursday after I came home from bowhunting. I wasn't going to hunt at all yesterday, but she insisted that I go. She spent the day with her daughter yesterday in case anything came up. I told her if I took a deer on Saturday I would come home instead of staying Saturday night and hunting today.
    I must be getting old and feeble Dick....I don't recall that.LOL
    Enjoy your hunt- the long sit......... the cold.......the rain and snow......the peace and quiet, it may just be your last hunt........... you never know.

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    Great job Hortontoter!! Looks like that gun is a shooter!!!
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    I had entertained the thought of a .45 caliber ML for a while. But, I just never got around to looking into that prospect. Seems everything readily available is for the .50 caliber. After the .410 entered my mind I knew it would be the easiest way to go. I didn't think you could use a straighted walled pistol cartridge in a rifle in Ohio. For now I'm going to stick with the .410. If it gives me undesireable performance over time I will have to make a change.

    Yes, Chuck, it worked like a charm. It weighs just under 4 1/2 pounds and very easy for me to shoot even on an offhand shot if need be. I took the doe while sitting with my elbow resting on my knee to help steady the shot. The shot was a bit hurried under the circumstances, but did the trick.
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    Along with what Longdraw mentioned, the muzzleloader my daughter Jenna used we ended up playing with the loads to get it down to a manageable amount for her. Ended up with 70 grains of Pyrodex for her to hunt with. We actually worked down the load to 30 grains at the beginning and it still shot well with very little kick. I just wanted to make sure she had enough behind it to do the job if the shot was a little longer.
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    I am not possitive but I think the rule with straight walled calibers is the barrel must be under16 inches, making NO rifle legal , as rifle bbls are 18 inches plus

    and that .410 should be all you ever need if you stay at the ranges it hold the energy to do the job
    and there way less work to clean than any inline muzzleloader would be, even with the cleaner powders, and less work to shoot, not having to carry podwer, and bullets and primers
    SO I say stick with that .410
    unless your just looking for a new project, then by all means
    have at it
    lots of .45 cal inlines stil out there
    but after reading up on them, the recoil between them and the .50's is very small in Ft
    lBS of energy, when comparing like loads
    and the .50 is just easier to get stuff for
    but light loads in them can be plesant to shoot, but then your again limited to range again, so I still say your .410 is all you will ever need

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    Thanks for the input Chuck. I wondered how light of a powder charge one could use in a ML. I'm assuming the one Jenna uses is a .50 caliber. I figure I would gain a few more days to hunt in Jan. if I had a ML. But, as Stan mentioned a lot more to mess with with the ML over the single barrel .410. For a few more days I'll stick with the .410. And Stan brings up a good point, if I lighten the charge in the ML I may be in the same boat as far as range and kinetic energy that I am with the .410. This is one thing that I really like about this site. Guys on here that are knowledgeable always bring things to my attention that I just don't think about.
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    well one thing I didn't add, and its not a cheap option
    is there are custom muzzleloader bullet makers that have sabot slugs down to about .40 caliber, and they can be loaded lighter, get higher fps, and even some great energy without a lot of recoil as a .50 cal slug would make
    but they are costly to play with, till you find what your gun like, and then your still dealing with black powder and or sub black powder to carry and primers, and again more work than any .410 round once dialed in

    but they are fun to play with as for a project!
    here is a link of one of the better sabboted smaller sized bullets for something to look at if you have the time!

    http://www.prbullet.com/pt.htm

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    Yes, the muzzleloader we have is a .50 cal Remington 700. For me I put 90 grains of Pyrodex in it and use Hornady sabot's w. a .45 jacketed hollow point bullet. Back when I originally sighted it in I could cover 3 shots with a quarter at a little over 100 yards. Since then I just shoot it once or twice at distances under that to make sure it's still on. Jenna was able to keep about 3" groups with it at about 60 yards the day she gave it a try. Was surprised at that distance the real light load only dropped less than a couple of inches, the 70 grains shot just as good as the 90. It's a pain to clean but it's very reliable (knock on wood! :smash: ) and accurate!!
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