Sanctuary - I hate that word!

[hortontoter]

I must agree with taylor6400. Better to have a sanctuary nearby than 8 or 9 guys with the "if its brown its down" syndrome. Trying to change the mind of a landowner can be tough and many times impossible. Problem is that many (not all) guys push the envelope after receiving permission by doing things like griz mentioned. I think the use of ATVs and "party" hunting have turned many landowners against hunting. Also many non hunting landowners do think of the deer on their property as pets and enjoy watching them.

[mrbb]

well as a land owner
I know I get asked a TON for permission, so it gets old real fast, all the more so if the land holds good deer


best advice i can say is in all honesty is not keep asking

just be seen in the area doing good

ofr if he lets you shed hunt, do that, and JUST that, after a few yrs , he might say OK since you shown him you not an ass only looking to hunt/kil deer
i know its not what you wnayt to hear, but its how I have seen it work, just takes time!! and a great spot is worth teh trouble if you ask me too!
OR
maybe the land owner next to him will grant you permission