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here is a couple rubs anda scrape
got to love the Oak trees when they get rubbed, one buck had some extra energy

a scrape
http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z457/mrbb1/045_zpsb199d656.jpg
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I have been both finding and seeing bucks make both since mid sept here, opening da I watched several bucks make fresh scrapes in front of me,
so there out there, but don't think there the same...